Monday, 11 April 2016

What is the Trinity ?


thank you very much for response on me.

however, i want to say sorry to u for late reply..

can i know about what exactly is thrinity? actually i already
 read research regarding on thrinity but i kind of not understand 
with statement "not three god but only one god" and why choose 
concept of water to conclude the thrinity concept?  what is original
sin? can i know who is "pope", "minister" and etc? isn't a role or
positions in church? 

thank you very much... 

Shalom N...,

Ah, you have many questions.

Question 1

Trinity or the concept of the Trinity was termed at the Council of Nicaea.

Early Church Fathers both Eastern, and Western Groups got together
to debate the rising tide of Heresy. Heresy occurs when someone begins
to spread false teaching on Christianity.  They coined the term Trinity in
its simplest form 3 in 1, the nature of God.

Question 2

Water is an analogy or metaphor to explain how the Trinity is possible.

Just to show you that it is possible. Let's go back to the Hebrew language.
The God called YHWH first appears to the Hebrew nation.

They called him Elohim. The term Elohim means 'One' God, but it is a little
more complicated. God is not purely singular.

He is HaShem (His Name)
He has a Ruach ( His Spirit)
He also appeared as Mosiach ( Isa Al-Masih). He actually appears several
times in the Tanakh (Old Testament). Burning Bush in Exodus, in Daniels

as the Angel of the Lord, etc,etc,etc

Read Isaiah 53 on the coming of Al-Masih. HaShem refers to him as
 'HIS ARM'. Yurezowa Yahweh. Not messenger, not angel, etc,etc,etc

Question 3

Original Sin occurred in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve disobeyed God's
command not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Therefore all generations
are infected by this disease called Sin per the prophet Isaiah.

Why is there a need for the Cross ? because Sin has to be atoned. The Hebrews
did that in the past.

Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the

shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. ~ hebrews 9:22

Question 4

As Christians, we are all priests. Church roles are man made religious institutions.
Nothing evil about that. It is just a way to organize a Church body.

In the Name Yeshua Al-Masih


Friday, 25 December 2015

Yeshua within the Christmas narrative Part III

Rabbiton Rabbiton
Rabbiton Rabbiton But Christianity claim that Jesus was born of a holly spirit, 
not through sexual intercourse. When Tanach said about Messiah from the line 
of David it means biological line, not some Holy Spirit pregnant a woman out 
of the blue. Therefore your interpretation above is not correct.

Rabbiton Rabbiton
Rabbiton Rabbiton Jesus destroyed the temple, he did not restore the temple 
hence the claim above is not accurate too. Messiah suppose to restore the temple 
not destroy. Jesus in Matthew said on the mountain that no one stone will stand.

Don Tan
Don Tan Tanakh says Mosiach will come through the line of David. Nothing more
] or less. Yeshua predicted that the Temple would be destroyed. He did not ordain it.
 Secondly, you cannot rebuild a temple without it first getting destroyed. Kapish....

Rabbiton Rabbiton
Rabbiton Rabbiton Messiah & David:

The Tanach mentioned that Messiah must be from the BIOLOGICAL line of David, 
not spiritual (you missed this point again as I already mentioned above). When 
Christianity claim that jesus was born of a virgin mary pregnant by the holy spirit 
– that would not only disqualified him from the lineage of David, and would totally 
not sum up as the Messiah from the line of David at all.

Without referring to the Tanach (Old Testament), by just reading the Christians book 
new testament – why does the NT has 2 genealogies of jesus (in Matthew 1:16 & 
Luke 3:23)? If it is only from the “line” of David NT should not have 2 genealogies 
of him.

Matthew 1:16
and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is 
called Christ.

Luke 3:23
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the 
son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli.

Matthew’s genealogy from David to jesus is: David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Abijah, 
Asa, Jehoshaphat, Jerhoram, Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Manasseh, Amon, 
Josiah, Jeconiah, Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Abiud, Eliakim, Azor, Zadok, Akim, Eliud, 
Eleazar, Mattan, Jacob, Joseph, Mary, Jesus.

Luke’s genealogy from David to jesus is: David, Nathan, Mattatha, Menna, Melea, 
Eliakim, Jonam, Joseph, Judah, Simeon, Levi, Matthat, Jorim, Eliezer, Joshua, Er, 
Elmadam, Cosam, Addi, Melki, Neri, Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Rhesa, Joanan, Joda, 
Josech, Semein, Mattathias, Maath, Naggai, Esli, Nahum, Amos, Mattathias, Joseph, 
Jannai, Melki, Levi, Matthat, Heli, Joseph, Jesus.

It is very clear that these two genealogies must be describing two different people.

Don Tan
Don Tan I agree, there is an accuracy issue. Is that your benchmark ? Rabbis don't 
know of anyone, i bet. Right now, that fulfills this lineage prophecy ,if any. You 
cannot just say that the null hypothesis is incorrect. Who then, among Israeli's today,
 would fulfill this coming prophecy, an alternate hypothesis. I say none. Yeshua was 
never against empirical evidence. He after all, told Thomas, to put his hands in the 
holes on his side.

John 20:24-29

24Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the 
disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” 
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where 
the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. 
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, 
“Peace be with you!” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. 
Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Thursday, 24 December 2015

Yeshua within the Christmas narrative Part II

     Rabbi Moses Maimonides(Rambam) 1135-1204 was considered to be the 
foremost writer of Jewish Law and Ethics. He was a one of the most revered Rabbi 
Philosophers by Jewish Historians. He also pondered upon the nature of the Messiah.

Do not consider it proof just because it is written in books, for a liar who will deceive 
with his tongue will not hesitate to do the same with his pen. ~ Rambam

In Grant R Jeffrey's book "Heaven - The last frontier" he summarizes the Rabbi's exegesis
Don Tan

Rambam believed that the coming of the Messiah was the key to the restoration of the 
Temple, the fulfillment of the Torah and the coming of the Messianic age of redemption.
 "He [the Messiah] will build the Temple, gather the dispersed of Israel. Then, in his days,
 all the statutes will return to their previous state. We will offer sacrifices and observe the 
Sabbatical and Jubilee years, according to all their particulars mentioned by the Torah" 
(Halachah 1:11).

Compare the qualifications of the Messiah, which Rambam enumerated from his study of
 the Old Testament prophets, with the history of Jesus Christ. "If a king will arise from the 
house of David who is learned in Torah and observant of the mitzvot (commandments), 
as prescribed by the written law and the oral law, as David, his ancestor was, and will 
 compel all of Israel to walk in [their light] and reinforce the breaches; and fight the wars
 of God, we may, with assurance, consider Him the Messiah. If he succeeds in the above, 
builds the Temple in its place, and gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the 
Messiah. He will then improve the entire world [motivating] all the nations to serve God 
together as [Zephaniah 3:9] states: I will make the peoples pure of speech that they all 
will call upon the Name of God and serve Him with one purpose" (Halachah 11:4).

In this passage, Rambam has described in the first paragraph the first coming of the 
Messiah; in the second paragraph the second coming. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies as 
the Son of David and astonished His listeners as a teacher of the Torah Law. In His 
unfolding purpose to accomplish the salvation of all those who would believe in Him, 
Christ allowed Himself to be sacrificed on the cross after fulfilling this first group of 
prophecies. This ultimate sacrificial gift to mankind was anticipated by God's miraculous 
offering of the ram to replace Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac on Mount Moriah almost two 
thousand years earlier. When Christ returns as promised, He will completely fulfill the 
remaining prophecies. He will build the Millennial Temple as described in Ezekiel 40-48 
and gather the dispersed of Israel into the Kingdom of heaven on Earth.

In one fascinating part of his commentary, Rambam deals with the puzzle about the 
historical Jesus, the problems associated with His partial fulfillment of the Messianic 
prophecies and the claims of Christianity. "If he [the Messiah] did not succeed to this 
degree or he was killed, he surely is not [the redeemer] promised by the Torah. [Rather] 
he should be considered as all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty 
who died. God only caused him to arise in order to test the many, as [Daniel 11:35] states, 
and some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to refine, and to clarify until the 
appointed time, because the set time is in the future" (Halachah 11:4).

This conclusion of Rambam that the death of Jesus proves that He was not the promised 
glorified Messiah has been repeated for hundreds of years. However, Rambam makes an 
astonishing admission: If the person legitimately fulfills part of the prophecies, but is killed
 before completing the restoration of the Temple, etc., he is to be considered as 
"all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who died," 
not as an imposter....

~ Grant R Jeffrey "Heaven - The Last Frontier"

Rabbinical Prophetic musical chairs. Who decides who Messiah is..Rabbi's or HaShem..